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Jeep Wrangler


Honda CR-V

Summary

Jeep Wrangler

The two-door Jeep Wrangler Rubicon exists for a very specific reason: to have a lot of fun off-roading on terrain few other standard 4WDs are able to tackle.

Along with vehicles such as Suzuki’s Jimny and Toyota’s LandCruiser 70 Series, the short-wheelbase Rubicon exists within a thin market niche within a niche. This is a purpose-built hard-core body-on-frame 4WD with very few, if any, concessions to comfort, safety or even common sense.

But there big news is that it’s been updated: less power, more torque with a 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbo-petrol engine replacing the beloved V6 petrol, a damage- and scratch-resistant Gorilla Glass windscreen, a 12.3-inch touchscreen multimedia system, Nappa leather seats and a forward-facing Trailcam.

So, is this new-engined shorty Rubicon in updated form your ticket to dirty fun?

Read on.

Safety rating
Engine Type2.0L
Fuel Type
Fuel Efficiency9.9L/100km
Seating4 seats

Honda CR-V

In the distant future, automotive historians will look back at the Honda CR-V as one of the true SUV originals.

Sure, it and the conceptually-identical Subaru Forester, trailed the trendsetting Toyota RAV4 of 1994 by three years, but collectively all three Japanese brands broke and then reset the Australian family-car mould in lightning-quick time. Too much so for the floundering local car industry to ever catch up.

Today, they remain the blue-chip mid-sized SUV contenders.

Six generations in, how does the completely-redesigned CR-V in all-new e:HEV (petrol-electric hybrid) guise stack up? Let's find out!

Safety rating
Engine Type2.0L
Fuel Type
Fuel Efficiency5.5L/100km
Seating5 seats

Verdict

Jeep Wrangler/10

The Jeep Wrangler Rubicon is a hardcore purpose-built 4WD with very few concessions to comfort, safety and common sense.

And that’s a good thing, especially in an increasingly cosseted world.

The two-door short-wheelbase Rubicon is a near-perfect off-road machine: short low-range gearing, mud terrain tyres, front and rear diff locks, and swaybar-disconnect, all combine to make the Rubicon a ready-to-go 4WD weapon.

If you’re shaking your head in disappointment at the Rubicon’s unpredictable on-road manners, lack of refinement and three-star ANCAP safety rating, then you’re missing the point entirely: it’s truckloads of fun.

But the reasons it’s so much fun are also the reasons some people might not like to live with the short-wheelbase Rubicon day to day: it’s a dialled-in driving experience that’s equal parts engaging and exhausting.

It mightn’t make much sense – if any at all – as a daily driver, but if you’re after pure real-world 4WD capability and truckloads of fun then you can’t ignore the two-door version of the Rubicon.


Honda CR-V8.5/10

The most-expensive version of the latest Honda CR-V is one of the most convincing family-orientated mid-sized SUVs in Australia, regardless of price and positioning.

For efficiency, economy, driveability, packaging, safety, quality, refinement and value-for-money, it is an outstanding value proposition. Don't buy a RAV4 or Forester hybrid before checking this one out.

We cannot wait for the e:HEV hybrid powertrain to filter down to cheaper grades, to make the best CR-V in decades even more accessible.

Design

Jeep Wrangler

The two-door Rubicon is 4334mm long (with a 2459mm wheelbase), 1894mm wide and 1879mm high.

The classic look has, for better or worse, remained essentially the same as it has for decades – blocky, straight up and down with big wheel arches … distinctive – but some minor tweaks have been introduced into the design mix this time.

The brand’s seven-slot grille now has metallic-look trim around each slot and bigger mesh inserts, marginally softer lines about the exterior here and there, and the cabin has a more modern feel to it than previous examples did.

Speaking of the cabin, the Wrangler Rubicon has low-key stylish trim boosted by Nappa leather and red stitching and its distinctive roll-over cage and removable roof.

The Rubicon has a striking appearance – like it or loathe it – and while few other new standard 4WDs grab the attention of everyone, this Jeep does just that.


Honda CR-V

Though considered handsome, the CR-V has never been a style leader. Function over form has always been its calling card, and Number Six is no exception.

Cleanly drawn, with boxy proportions and a blunter, squarer nose providing a contemporary if somewhat bland appearance, the Thai-built Honda lives on the larger end of the mid-sized SUV scale, resulting in lots of space and practicality.

Yet there are interesting and worthwhile details to explore, like narrower-than-usual windscreen pillars for exceptional forward vision.

The same applies to the considered positioning of the exterior mirrors, minimising blind spots, while deep glass areas allow light to flood in.

The stylish, Volvo-esque L-shaped tail-light graphic probably connects most clearly with past CR-Vs, giving the latest version an elegant overall presence.

Compared to the old model, the latest version's wheelbase has been stretched by 40mm to 2700mm, while front and rear tracks are 10mm wider, coming in at 1611mm and 1627mm, respectively.

Note that the front-drive models' ground clearance is 198mm – 10mm less than on the (non-hybrid-only) AWD grades.

Practicality

Jeep Wrangler

The Rubicon interior has always received well-deserved praise for its durability and suitability for adventure and the outdoors life.

But while it is designed to cop dirt, mud, sand and the general messiness of an action-packed life, the two-door four-seat Rubicon’s interior remains a snug – almost too snug – space. The bulkiness of the roll cage and pillars encroaches on headroom and elsewhere the short-wheelbase Rubicon’s limited physical dimensions impact shoulder, leg, knee and foot room but not to a diabolical degree, especially if you’re a Hobbit like me.

On the plus side though, everything that should feel solid does (like the grab handles), and all dials, knobs and switches are easy to quickly locate and operate while traversing all types of terrain.

Jeep has always applied to the Rubicon quietly clever ideas, such as tensioned net pockets on the doors and in the seat-backs, and deep small-storage spaces with textured, grippy bases.

Upfront there are USB ports – a USB-A and a USB-C upfront, and two USB-A and two USB-C ports in the second row ports – as well as a 230V outlet upfront and in the rear, directional air vents, and cup holders in the centre console.

In terms of packability, this short-wheelbase Rubicon comes up, well, short. There’s not a lot of room inside for people, as mentioned earlier, so throwing extra gear into this Jeep’s cabin is a big ask.

When all four seats are in use, rear cargo space – listed as 365L – is really limited to only copping a few bags for an overnight trip.

Access to the rear is via a side-hinged tailgate, which opens from left to right, and it has a full-sized spare mounted to it.


Honda CR-V

Little wonder the CR-V was the world's third most-bought SUV worldwide in 2023. It's big enough for most families' needs... and then some.

This is immediately apparent the moment the big doors are opened up nice and wide, revealing an airy, spacious and extremely user-friendly interior.

The Japanese brand has striven successfully for greater visual symmetry, harmony and operational simplicity in the dashboard's design and layout.

And, sure, the 9.0-inch touchscreen lacks the wow factor of vast buttonless displays as found in flashy alternatives such as the disappointing Chery Tiggo 7, but it works very effectively.

Hondas have always nailed the driving position bit down pat, and the RS is no exception, with ample seat and steering column adjustment, considered controls placements and unimpeded views of the instrumentation and road ahead due to the aforementioned thin pillars.

The instrumentation cluster is an electronic set-up offering the driver the choice of either super crisp and ultra-clear analogue dials, or somewhat fussier bar graphs, with a digital speedo augmenting both.

There's so much to enjoy and so little to criticise inside Honda's mid-sized SUV. Along with space to stretch, the front seats are notably comfortable and supportive, as several hundred kilometres sat ensconced in them proved. Both sides have electric adjustment at this price point, too.

Ventilation also rates highly, with the honeycomb full-dash-length grille and lovely toggle switches bringing aesthetic and tactile delight, respectively.

And, reflecting the CR-V's US focus, storage is on a large and helpful scale, offering bottle holders in the doors amongst other places to stash things in and on.

Moving to the rear seat area, entry/egress is ridiculously unimpeded, with a decently-shaped bench.

Families are also likely to appreciate series-best legroom, backed up by a handy amount of girth – always a good thing.

You're also met with occupant-facing air vents, overhead grab handles, even more door storage, the obligatory folding centre armrest with cupholders, front-seat-sited map pockets and a pair of USB-C outlets.

However, the standard sunroof does rob some headroom so people taller than about 180cm had better try before they ride, though the 60/40 backrest reclines to 16 positions and that's helpful here.

Being a hybrid, the RS e:HEV misses out on the sliding bench which adjusts by 190mm in other CR-Vs.

Vision out is exemplary back there, enhancing an already spacious and airy ambience. But if the front seat area majors on Japanese quality, the rear is hardly premium, with plenty of dreary cheap plastic trim, betraying the Honda SUV's focus on the price-driven American market. But nothing squeaked, rattled or broke, thankfully.

Further back, the tailgate rises remotely quickly enough, and there's quite a wide and long area to store things, but the electrification elements make for quite a high and uneven floor – though a deep bin area is also provided to hide stuff in.

There's also just a can of goo in lieu of a spare wheel.

Cargo capacity rises compared to the previous CR-V, ranging from 589 litres with the rear seats up, to 1636L, or 1072L if measured only to the window line.

Price and features

Jeep Wrangler

The two-door four-seat Jeep Wrangler is only available in top-spec Rubicon guise. It has a list price of $82,950, excluding on-road costs. This Jeep has no real direct competitor and while its price-tag seems high for a vehicle with such a limited focus, this is a specialised and well-equipped off-roader with a legion of fans who believe it's worth it.

Standard features now include, as per the update, a 12.3-inch touchscreen multimedia system, Nappa leather seats, a forward-facing Trailcam, Gorilla Glass windscreen, 17-inch alloy wheels, and more.

Exterior paint choices include Bright White (standard) or Black, Granite Crystal, Sarge, Firecracker Red, Hydro Blue, Silver Zynith, High Velocity, Earl, Anvil, Tuscadero – all options. Premium paint is $1490.


Honda CR-V

At the time of writing, choosing the hybrid version over the regular petrol-turbo CR-V means forking out for the top-of-the-line RS. Less expensive (and luxurious) hybrid grades are expected soon.

Starting from $59,900 drive-away, it isn't cheap, especially as its two closest rivals – the RAV4 Cruiser Hybrid and Nissan X-Trail Ti e-Power e4orce – offer all-wheel drive (AWD) for around the same price, while the Honda is front-wheel drive only.

At least the RS e:HEV isn't short on equipment, especially safety, with 11 airbags, Autonomous Emergency Braking (AEB), blind-spot alert, lane-keep assist, rear cross-traffic alert and adaptive cruise control included. Check out our safety section below for more details.

Being the CR-V flagship, you'll also find adaptive LED headlights, a panoramic sunroof, dual-zone climate control, leather upholstery, powered and heated front seats, a 9.0-inch touchscreen, sat-nav, wireless Apple CarPlay/wired Android Auto, Bose premium audio with 12 speakers, digital radio, a wireless charger, privacy glass, hands-free powered tailgate, roof rails, front and rear parking sensors and 19-inch alloys.

Note, however, there is no spare wheel, just a tyre-repair kit. Not good enough. For why, please see the Cost of Ownership/Warranty section.

There's also five years' free subscription to 'Honda Connect', bringing remote-control operation for climate control, lights and locking/unlocking, trip log data, location status, geo-fencing and emergency callout.

What's missing? Along with the aforementioned AWD, some rivals at this price point include larger alloy wheels if that's your thing.

Otherwise, the RS e:HEV brings plenty of features to the table. Sadly, not of the picnic variety, however, unlike in the first two generations of CR-V (1997 and 2001).

Under the bonnet

Jeep Wrangler

As mentioned earlier, the V6 Pentastar petrol engine has been dropped and replaced by a 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbo-petrol engine – producing 200kW (9kW less than the V6) at 3000-4500rpm and 400Nm (53Nm more than the V6) at 3000-4500rpm – and an eight-speed automatic transmission.

The new combination is a quietly effective teaming; smooth, lively, and punchy, with plenty of torque on tap.

Befitting its rock-crawling status, the Rubicon has a full complement of off-roading mechanicals and driver-assist tech, including on-demand four-wheel drive (with high- and low-range gearing), live axles front and rear, as well as front and rear locking differentials, and a swaybar disconnect.


Honda CR-V

The CR-V hybrid is powered by a 2.0-litre four-cylinder direct-injection Atkinson Cycle petrol engine.

Married to a pair of electric motors that make a combined power output of 152kW, it delivers a system total of 135kW at between 5000rpm and 8000rpm, as well as an impressive 335Nm of torque from 0-2000rpm.

It sends drive to the front wheels via a single-speed electric continuously variable transmission (e-CVT), featuring deceleration paddles that help redirect regenerative braking energy back into the battery.

Tipping the scales at 1771kg (kerb), the power-to-weight ratio is 76.2kW/tonne. Not great, but the e:HEV's brawn lies in its hefty torque output.

Efficiency

Jeep Wrangler

The Wrangler Rubicon has listed fuel consumption of 9.9L/100km on a combined cycle.

On this test I recorded 10.8L/100km between fills, but I did a chunk of low-range 4WDing and the new 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbo-petrol engine was never working hard.

The two-door Rubicon has a 66-litre fuel tank so, going by my on-test fuel figures, you could reasonably expect a driving range of about 610km from a full tank.


Honda CR-V

Like Toyota's hybrids, Honda's do not need to be plugged in; the small 1.06kWh lithium-ion battery fitted is charged by either the engine or via regenerative braking energy.

Honda says the e:HEV RS on the Urban, Extra Urban and Combined cycles should average 4.9, 5.8 and 5.5 litres per 100km, respectively. The latter figure equates to a carbon dioxide emissions rating average of 125 grams/km.

Fitted with a 57L fuel tank, that means the driver can expect to achieve about 1035km between refills – and on 91 RON regular unleaded petrol at that.

Out in the real world, we managed a still-laudable 6.5L/100km during our time with the RS e:HEV, achieved through a mixture of inner-urban and open-road driving.

Driving

Jeep Wrangler

The two-door Rubicon is rather ordinary to drive on sealed surfaces, but it isn’t anywhere near as diabolical as some people would have you believe.

This is a purpose-built off-roader with a wide wheel track and low centre of gravity, so it feels solid on bitumen and dirt in equal measure.

However, you do have to drive it with full focus and give yourself time to get used to some if its more quirky aspects if you aren’t already familiar with them. There is plenty of play in the steering, lots of on-road floatiness and body roll, and this Rubicon – tipping the scales at 1977kg tare weight (listed) and measuring 4334mm long (with a 2459mm wheelbase), 1894mm wide and 1879mm high – can be an unpredictable unit.

You need to micro-manage this shorty 4WD at all times. It’s like driving a go-kart, but more fun and – bonus – it’s street legal.

If you’re steering it, this short-wheelbase Rubicon demands your constant attention – but that’s a fun characteristic I appreciate and that it shares with only a few other vehicles such as the Suzuki Jimny and Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series.

However, as fun as it is, this kind of fully engaged driving experience – requiring laser-focus concentration to keep a vehicle on target – asks a lot of the driver and does become tiring (nay, exhausting) after long stints on the road or off of it.

Beyond that though, this Rubicon, with a track-tight turning circle of 10m, is a nicely manoeuvrable vehicle around town (for swift turnarounds and easy parking) in the suburbs and even along overgrown bush tracks – but more about that soon.

Wrangler fans who have bemoaned the loss of the Pentastar V6 needn’t have worried. The new four-cylinder engine delivers a gutsy punch of acceleration when needed and is nicely matched to the eight-speed auto. It’s also smoother, more refined and less noisy than before.

The solid-axle Rubicon has a suspension set-up – including coil springs at every corner – that soaks up most bumps in the road, and that makes for impressive levels of driver and passenger comfort.

This little purpose-built rock-crawler is solidly built and it can get noisy when you’re inside of it as it rumbles along a road or track – no surprise because it does have a boxy body, big wing mirrors and chunky mud-terrain tyres. Part of the experience, part of the fun, I reckon.

So, how does it go off-road? Bloody well, as usual.

The Rubicon is a genuine 4WD with a dual-range transfer case, a ladder chassis, solid axles, well-established 4WD heritage and its boosted by driver-assist tech. It’s immediately more at home taking on low-speed 4WDing than it is negotiating suburban traffic, shopping centre car parks or city streets.

I’ve driven Rubicons in pretty much every kind of challenging off-road situation – sand, steep rain-slick rocky hills, deep mud holes, swollen water crossings – and they’ve never disappointed. 

These Jeeps are some of the few modern-day 4WDs engineered with an off-road focus that offers few concessions to anything other than dirt-track fun – the only vehicles in the same realm are the aforementioned Jimny, 70 Series, and even the likes of the Ford Ranger Raptor and Ineos Grenadier.

Steering in the chopped Rubicon retains a nice weight and feel to it during 4WDing, staying precise as needed, offering the driver a great sense of sustained control through even severe terrain.

Its planted stance gives the Rubicon a distinct composure and its suspension – with a coil spring at each corner – helped it to take the sting out of every dirt-road corrugation on the way to my unofficial 4WD testing and proving ground.

As mentioned earlier, anyone worried about the V6 being dropped should calm down. The new engine is a lively and punchy unit – even livelier than the V6 – and offers up ample smoothly-delivered torque across a wide spread of revs, ideal for high- and low-range 4WDing.

When you switch to 4L and drop the revs, it’s easy to squeeze the most out of this new engine. Considered driving is necessary as is slow and steady throttle, but that's easily achieved in this Rubicon and it was never overworked even when the terrain became very challenging.

This Jeep has a well-calibrated off-road traction control system but if you need even more terrain-grabbing magic, it has front and rear diff locks, and a front sway-bar disconnect system, which helps to unlock even more articulation, and let those tyres stretch to the ground for all-important traction.

The Rubicon also has Selec-Speed Control (an adjustable low-speed cruise control for 4WDing that can be set between 1.0-8.0km/h), and Off-Road+, which adjusts throttle and traction control, among other systems, to best suit the terrain.

What’s also handy about the Rubicon is that, via the off-road pages on the multimedia screen, you can monitor your 4x4 system, as well as vehicle steering angle, pitch and roll, and the status of the diff locks and the swaybar disconnect system.

The two-door Rubicon has a listed 257mm of ground clearance and 760mm wading depth. While I didn’t experience any water crossings that deep this time, I did do plenty of driving on coastal sand, just inland from a beach, and there were deep rutted sections, so I saw clear evidence of its running clearance.

When it comes to approach, departure and ramp-over angles, the higher the number the better and the short-wheelbase Rubicon checks out with listed measurements of 44, 37, 27.8 degrees respectively, and this small 4WD climbs up and over even steep rocky hills with sharp crests, without ever being in danger of scraping the earth with its front, under-carriage or its back end. 

The Rubicon rides on BFGoodrich Mud-Terrain KM2 (255/75R17) tyres – real muddies – and those are strapped to 17-inch alloys. These are good tyres and the 17-inch set-up is good for off-roading.

The shorty Rubicon is not a big vehicle and so its Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM, 2404kg) and Gross Combined Mass (GCM, 3751kg) are not massive figures.

It’s not renowned as a towing platform of note but it pays to know that its tongue download is 150kg, towing capacity is 750kg (unbraked) and 1497kg (braked).


Honda CR-V

If the good-looking e:HEV RS's compelling value and great interior don't convince, then the driving experience might.

Building on five generations of gradual evolution, the latest CR-V uses an updated version of the previous model's all-new architecture – a very solid foundation to build an SUV upon.

Pairing that with Honda's latest hybrid electrification tech is the automotive equivalent of putting together peaches and cream. Even to a vegan.

From the first push of the starter button, the driving experience is seamless, elevating the e:HEV to the premium realm.

As it's in EV mode for much of the time at lower speeds, the SUV powers forward quickly and effortlessly, gliding along with a determined hum.

When the petrol engine eventually engages, it does so smoothly and quietly, yet the electric motor's influence and effects are far from done; the driver can sense all that torque (335Nm, remember) just from the immediacy of the throttle response.

Result? The CR-V's mid-range thrust makes it a deceptively rapid vehicle, accelerating instantly and surging strongly in almost no time at all. Keep an eye on that speedo, too, because the powertrain delivery is silken.

Furthermore, and going against type, the brakes thankfully avoid the wooden feel of many rival hybrids, and instead pull up immediately and with normal and natural pedal pressure.

Additionally, the paddle shifters provide variable off-throttle braking, though not quite down to a full stop.

Honda's chassis engineers have earned their keep when it comes to the CR-V's dynamics, too.

Light and easy around town for painless parking, the steering weights up nicely at higher speeds, allowing the driver to get into a linear rhythm with the machine, and without it feeling nervous or top-heavy when corners get tight – a rarity in an electrified SUV of this size.

And while it lacks the intimate connection of sportier SUVs like the Mazda CX-5 (given the RS badges), most people will appreciate the Honda's calm and controlled handling and road holding.

For the record, suspension in the CR-V consists of MacPherson-style struts up front and a multi-link rear end. However, a bit more suppleness would transform the e:HEV.

Wearing 235/55 R19 tyres, its ride around town is fine over larger bumps, absorbing them smoothly and without fuss, while overall tyre/road noise intrusion is pretty good, too.

Yet smaller-frequency surface irregularities, like joins and rail tracks, are not so easily dealt with, resulting in some sudden harshness.

Driven over exactly the same roads as the ZR-V e:HEV equivalent, it's clear there isn't quite the polish or sophistication that makes the smaller Honda SUV a highly-convincing dynamic and refined alternative to luxury German alternatives.

Other than the occasionally fidgety suspension, the CR-V hybrid makes for a dynamically impressive family SUV.

Safety

Jeep Wrangler

The Jeep Wrangler range has a three-star ANCAP safety rating from testing in 2019.

The rating is not up to scratch in this day and age, but the Rubicon does have onboard a full suite of safety gear including six airbags (two dual-front, two side, two side curtain), as well as auto emergency braking (city and inter-urban) blind spot warning, adaptive cruise control and front and rear parking sensors.


Honda CR-V

Honda has yet to publish ANCAP crash-test results for the latest CR-V. For what it's worth, the previous two generation models achieved a maximum five-star assessment.

Today's CR-V comes with 11 airbags, including two dual front, dual side, dual front knee, front-centre, dual rear side and full-length curtains.

On the active-safety front, there is AEB with pedestrian and cyclist detection, low-speed braking control front and rear, road departure mitigation (RDM), forward-collision warning, blind-spot alert, lane-departure warning/keep, rear cross-traffic alert, adaptive cruise control (with full stop-go), low-speed follow and traffic-jam assist, traffic-sign recognition, driver-fatigue warning, adaptive driving beam and auto high beams.

You'll also find front/rear parking sensors, anti-lock braking with brake assist, 'Electronic Brake-force Distribution', hill-start assist, stability control, traction control, an intelligent speed limiter, trailer stability assist, tyre-pressure monitors and something called 'Straight Driving Steering Assist'.

An ISOFIX child-seat latch is fitted to each outboard rear seat position, while a trio of anchorage points for straps are included either on or behind, as well.

Honda says its AEB system is operational from 5.0km/h, the RDM from 30km/h, the lane support systems from 72km/h and the traffic-jam assist tech works between 0-72km/h. Top speed is 186km/h.

Ownership

Jeep Wrangler

The Wrangler is covered by Jeep's five-year/100,000km warranty – that’s sub-standard compared to the baseline five year/unlimited km warranty.

Service intervals are recommended every 12 months and 12,000km with capped-price servicing set at $399 a pop. 

If you have your Rubicon serviced at a Jeep outlet then lifetime roadside assistance is on the cards.


Honda CR-V

Honda offers a five-year/unlimited kilometre warranty that also includes roadside assistance.

At the time of publication until the end of March, there is a special offer that extends those to seven years.

Additionally, there is a six-year rust perforation warranty and an eight-year hybrid-battery module warranty.

There's also five years' free subscription to 'Honda Connect', bringing remote-control operation for climate control, lights and locking/unlocking, as well as trip log data, location status, geo-fencing and emergency callout access.

The CR-V's servicing intervals are every 12 months or 10,000km or when the engine oil monitor light illuminates, with capped price servicing pegged at an annual flat fee of $199 for the first five years.

That's under $1000 over that period of time. Nothing extraordinary here unless you remember the old days of how expensive it was to service new Hondas.

Note, however, that the e:HEV's lack of a spare wheel does bring additional costs – namely in the cost of replacing the expensive tyre-repair kit, as well as the substantial time, inconvenience and flow-on issues of a more-severe puncture that can render the CR-V undriveable if the tyre-repair kit is unable to plug the hole.

Honda is not alone in not offering a spare wheel in its hybrid SUV range, but there are real consequences in being stranded with an unfixable flat tyre that needs to be factored in. Family holidays can be made or ruined in such circumstances.